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Golan Trevize, consejero de la Primera Fundación, se pregunta sobre la posibilidad de la supervivencia de la Segunda Fundación. Ésta debería haber sido destruida, según la versión oficial, agotándose así los superpoderes mentales de los científicos que la componían y que dirigían ocultamente los aconteceres del Imperio Galáctico.Tras una serie de intrigas políticas, TrevizGolan Trevize, consejero de la Primera Fundación, se pregunta sobre la posibilidad de la supervivencia de la Segunda Fundación. Ésta debería haber sido destruida, según la versión oficial, agotándose así los superpoderes mentales de los científicos que la componían y que dirigían ocultamente los aconteceres del Imperio Galáctico.Tras una serie de intrigas políticas, Trevize se verá obligado a exiliarse en una astronave, en compañía del historiador Janov Pelorat. Pero, una vez en el espacio, ambos decidirán dedicarse a la búsqueda del antiguo planeta Tierra....

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Los límites de la Fundacion Reviews

  • Apatt
    2018-10-30 20:44

    First published in 1982 almost 30 years after the last volume of the iconic original Foundation Trilogy, namely Second Foundation, I was skeptical that Asimov would be able to maintain his mojo post the Golden Age of Science Fiction when he was publishing his most iconic sci-fi stories and novels. Of his 80s books I only read The Robots of Dawn which I thought was quite good but not in the same league as his 50s robot novels The Caves of Steel and The Naked Sun. Still, I liked it enough to rekindle my interest in the Foundation series of which I have only read the original trilogy in my teens. For some reason I neglected the series from the 4th volume onwards and to catch up I did not want to simply dive into it as it was decades ago since I read the previous books and I have gotten most of the background details. So I reread the trilogy a couple of months ago and enjoyed it very much in spite of already knowing the major plot twists. The Foundation saga remains quite potent after all these years.Foundation's Edge is the 4th volume I speak of. It is set 500 years after the establishment of the Foundation. The Seldon Plan is going swimmingly and the First Foundation is at the peak of its strength having dominated all the neighboring planets through its superior technology and military might. The people of the Foundation believe that the threat from the mind controlling Second Foundation has been eliminated and there is now only one Foundation, theirs. Alas someone always shows up to rock the boat otherwise we would not have much of a story. Enters one Golan Trevize, a Council member and an original thinker; a dangerous combination. It occurs to Trevize that the Seldon Plan has been going too well of late and there is surely something wrong when things are just too right. It is unnatural for things to always go according to plan, some deviations must occur. Trevize believes this is an indication that the Foundation is being surreptitiously controlled by puppet masters from the dreaded Second Foundation who will ensure the Seldon Plan reaches fruition and then step in as lord and masters. Voicing such a controversial idea turns out to be unwise as he is summarily kicked off the planet Terminus (home of the Foundation) with a secret mission to locate the Second Foundation in order for the First to do away with them once and for all. Many surprises ensue.In spite of not being action packed as such, I find Foundation's Edge to be a gripping page-turner. The plot tends to move through dialogue rather than narration. Every page seems to be stuffed with dialogue as characters are always discussing or arguing about something. The climax is also played through dialogue. This is a surprisingly effective method of storytelling as the book is never dull. Asimov writes reasonably good dialogue, but his characters do have a tendency to belabor their points at times. Asimov’s major strengths are his epic ideas, world building and plot; these are the reason he is one of the most popular sci-fi authors of all time (possibly the most popular). His world building here is better than ever, I particularly love the telepathic society and culture of the Second Foundation on Trantor and the strange people of Gaia. It is also lovely to see the robots and their “Three Laws” worked into the Foundation universe, plus a clever explanation for the absence of aliens in the Foundation universe.Asimov is often criticized for his utilitarian prose and thin characters (the same criticisms leveled toward most Golden Age authors). While he was no Dickens or Oscar Wilde in term of prose, characterization and dialogue I find these criticisms a little unfair. His prose is not extraordinary, but it is uncluttered and very readable, it is never clumsy or semi-literate; he never insults the readers’ intelligence. His dialogue is often full of amusing witty banter and sardonic remarks. As for his characters, while some of the supporting characters are indeed flat his central characters and protagonists are often memorable. After decades away from his books I still remember very well Hari Seldon, The Mule, Susan Calvin (from I Robot), Elijah Baley and R. Daneel Olivaw (from several robot novels). As for Foundation's Edge's characters, Golan Trevize, and several lead characters are quite vivid and memorable also. In contrast I can not remember a single character from Arthur C. Clarke’s books (except Hal 9000 and Dave Bowman); no disrespect to Sir Arthur though, he has his own brand of greatness. The climax of Foundation's Edge is just wonderful and the epilogue leads nicely to the next book Foundation and Earth. Asimov always seems to enjoy telling his Foundation stories tremendously and his enjoyment is infectious. Can’t wait!

  • Clouds
    2018-10-19 00:35

    Christmas 2010: I realised that I had got stuck in a rut. I was re-reading old favourites again and again, waiting for a few trusted authors to release new works. Something had to be done.On the spur of the moment I set myself a challenge, to read every book to have won the Locus Sci-Fi award. That’s 35 books, 6 of which I’d previously read, leaving 29 titles by 14 authors who were new to me.While working through this reading list I got married, went on my honeymoon, switched career and became a father. As such these stories became imprinted on my memory as the soundtrack to the happiest period in my life (so far).Foundation’s Edge won the Locus Sci-Fi award in 1983, finishing ahead of The Golden Torc (sequel to the previous year’s winner), 2010 (the sequel to Arthur C Clarke’s classic 2001) and The Crystal Singer (the first in what, my wife and Mother assure me, is a fine Ann McCaffrey trilogy) to name just three.I’ve read the Foundation series twice in my life, and Foundation’s Edge was one of the six winning books I had previously read before I began my Locus Quest.The first time I read the Foundation series as an awe-struck pre-teen, I’d have instantly given the whole series a 5-star review: it was a story that became a foundation stone (excuse the pun) of my love for sci-fi. Let's get this out of the way: Asimov's Foundation series is required reading for anyone with more than a passing interest in science fiction. If you've not read it yet, put it on your list!Returning to Asimov in my mid twenties I was expecting to be disappointed. Some issues are unavoidable – much of the characterisation is shallow and doesn’t develop far and there series as a whole tends to repeat plot devices with surface variations – but overall I was pleasantly surprised. Asimov tends to remind me H.G. Wells. That may sound extreme considering The Time Machine was written in the 1890s while Foundation’s Edge was released in the 1980s, but the Foundation series was conceived back in the 50s. Wells and Asimov may represent the best of pre-WW1 and post-WW2 sci-fi, but their formative cultures have more in common with each other than post-2012 audiences.To me, their stories are now are charming combination of dated ideals and visionary speculation. This is one of the few Foundation novels which can stand alone, so I can heartily recommend it to all - not just fans of the series.I’m no longer blown away as I once was, but it’s still a very enjoyable read!After this I read: Ilium

  • Mahdi Lotfi
    2018-11-02 20:47

    مجموعهٔ بنیاد نام مجموعه‌ای ۷ جلدی از آیزاک آسیموف است که مشهورترین مجموعهٔ علمی-تخیلی خوانده شده‌است. داستان این مجموعه به ترتیب زمان انتشار پیش نمی‌رود، بلکه آسیموف ابتدا جلدهای سوم (بنیاد)، چهارم(بنیاد و امپراطوری) و پنجم (بنیاد دوم) را نوشت و سپس با وقفه‌ای طولانی مدت و بر اثر اصرار خوانندگان جلدهای ششم (لبه بنیاد) و هفتم (بنیاد و زمین) را به آن افزود. پس از آن با وقفه‌ای نسبتاً طولانی جلد اول مجموعه (سرآغاز بنیاد) و در نهایت نیز اندکی پیش از مرگش جلد دوم (پیشبرد بنیاد) را نوشته‌است.

  • ttrygve
    2018-11-03 21:35

    This was, like its predecessors, an enjoyable story. I enjoyed the premise for it, the pacing, and even the characterization is very much improved over the earlier Foundation novels (however little that may be saying).But I cannot review this book without spoiling it. So read no further if that bothers you.The real shortcoming is that Asimov abandons (at the very end) the first two foundations to have yet a third organization secretly pull strings from behind a curtain. I get that they're benevolent, that's fine, but Asimov spent the first three books building up the predictive powers of psychohistory as thoroughly grounded in scientific fact and experimentation, and vetted and improved upon by the Second Foundation, only to tear it down in this book and say -- without a bit of explanation -- that it wasn't good enough to account for the growth rate of technology, despite the fact that that's a big part of what it had been designed specifically to do and had done just fine at thus far.But now we end up with yet a *third* organization working to construct a new second empire. This one, like the second, also operates in secrecy in order to achieve its goals, and so *again* Asimov comes back to ignorance as a key to solving problems created by knowledge, and that just seems like a huge betrayal of the principles he seems to be trying to embrace. He seems to have this split desire to deify science and the pursuit of knowledge in general most of the time, while embracing ignorance at other times. It's just too incongruent, in that regard.

  • Stephen
    2018-10-20 01:49

    4.0 to 4.5 stars. Excellent book, but not as good as the original trilogy. Winner: Hugo Award for Best Science Fiction Novel (1983)Winner: Locus Award for Best Science Fiction Novel (1983)Nominee: Nebula Award for Best Science Fiction Novel (1983)

  • Denisse
    2018-10-17 22:32

    Asimov surrounds me everytime I read his books. This time he worked more on the characters and their interactions, which made the book even more fluent to enjoy. The writing style is still very simple, so even when the plot gets dense it doesn't bother and everything Asimov has to say about the Universe, the human race, our minds as a group or a single person is so fascinated to me. A very special book about balance, our decisions and how important they are. Second favorite behind Foundation. I really enjoyed this continuation. En una epoca extraña e imprevisible, nos aferrramos con miedo al pasado.Lo más page-turner de Asimov que he leído hasta ahora. La trilogía de la Fundación original es más seria, por decirlo de un modo, con Los Limites de la Fundación se divierte más sin dejar su estilo y sin arriesgar la trama. Hay personajes más activos, diálogos más fluidos y un misterio más interesante. Digamos que solo deja de meterse tanto con los problemas sociales y nos adentramos más a una aventura espacial mientras el Plan de Hari Seldon está a mitad de camino.Como siempre, este Plan se ve amenazado por alguna disputa y/o pensamiento desviado y ahora para prevenir la catástrofe se debe enderezar el camino. Y como siempre, la resolución final es contundente, imaginativa e ingeniosa al mismo tiempo, lo que hace del libro una experiencia increíble de forma redonda. Lo unico que debe hacer es mirarse atentamente a si mismo y entendera a todos los demas.Otro gran detalle son las dos grandes referencias a otros libros del autor, te hablan sobre el pasado prehistórico del Primer Imperio Galáctico y te pica la curiosidad por leer esos otros volúmenes de los cuales ya tengo uno yei!En general, esta cuarta entrega de la serie trata más acerca de lo que escapa a ambas Fundaciones, su razón de ser y su papel en la historia. Ha sido muy interesante y te deja con muchas ganas de leer Fundación y Tierra...es una pena que no lo encontrara en la Feria del Libro. Espero lo traigan pronto. Recomendado para quienes disfrutaron la trilogía principal.Si hubieramos esperado hasta que la seguridad fuese doble y triple y cuadruple e infinitamente grande, habriamos esperado siempre.

  • Adrian
    2018-10-23 22:42

    Although written much later than the original Foundation trilogy, this book in my opinion is on a par with them. Not only is it a great story, well written as ever by Asimov, but after having read the Foundation novels, the Robot novels and the Empire novels (some many times), you realise how cleverly this book starts to bring everything together the way Asimov intended.

  • David (דוד)
    2018-11-01 20:47

    4.5 StarsDefinitely a better read than the The Foundation Trilogy, as some friends had suggested. :)Having written this much later in life (early 1980s, 32 years after the publication of the previous Foundation book Second Foundation), Asimov's writing style seems to have had improved than from the 1950s. The book won the Hugo Award for best novel and the Locus Award for Best Science Fiction Novel in 1983. Although the book is self-contained, the story in this book is a continuation to the original trilogy, and it is recommended to read this only after reading the first three books.Mysteries (if any) are very well-maintained, while reading the book until its last page is interesting. Some of the themes mentioned in the book were not new to me, and as a result have not really happened to put me in a state of awe, as a result of which my inability in giving it a perfect five-star rating. However, I was glad to see those embedded themes, and the series' integration with Asimov's other series of his books.Some of my questions which I had conceived while reading the original trilogy were particularly attended to by the author, for which I am glad, such as the question of Earth in the Galactic Empire's History, and the possibility of other life-forms. These concepts have now been well-integrated.Now on to the next in the series: Foundation and Earth :)

  • Derek Davis
    2018-10-22 02:35

    I didn't plan to read the "later" Foundation books because most attempts to reinvigorate an early, highly successful series (and except for "Lord of the Rings," no original series of the '50s and '60s was as successful as the Foundation trilogy) usually leave you somewhat embarrassed for the author.Not here. Rather than trying to reanimate the sword-and-hoopla of much of 1950s SF, Asimov writes us a 450-page logical argument. You might think that would be enough to give Socrates a headache, but, as the master storyteller he always was, Asimov keeps you hanging on every unexpected but perfectly reasoned turn of plot.By "logical argument" I mean a warring of intensely bright minds trying to one-up each other's motivations and uncover the structure behind a constantly reorganizing viewpoint of political and social organization. Roughly 200 years after the original stories, the Foundation has taken peaceful control of nearly half the galaxy's million colonized worlds. The Foundation believes that the secretive Second Foundation has been exterminated, but we (of course) know that it still lurks on the former Empire home world of Trantor, controlling the unfolding fate of the galaxy through subtle but benevolent mind-tuning. There's no need to list more facts, because this is not a fact-based novel. It's a constantly unfolding and interfolding of ideas through the truly deft use of mind games. And it works only because Asimov created superb characters who speak to each other not in didactic paragraphs but in a genuine attempt to explain the situation to each other. We, the readers, are but eavesdroppers.One thing from the original series remains the same, and it's always seemed both silly and endearing to me. Despite the fact that the galaxy is home to a quintillion human beings (or, one royal shitload squared), their fate always hangs on tiny a handful of isolated minds, who meet two or three at a time out behind some planet where any two spaceships can always conveniently find each other, like neighborhood rudeboys dreaming up a heist in the parking lot of the Pep Boys' warehouse.

  • Jan-Maat
    2018-10-27 00:28

    Sort of brick-like sequel to the earlier Foundation books.One can read and enjoy this book and the one that comes after it and as a pair they serve to tie the Foundation series back to the Bailey/robot books. They take the Foundation idea in a slightly different direction by introducing a factor and the possibility of a factor outside of the original psychohistorical calculations made by Seldon. Which rather renders the original stories superfluous. The drive of late Azimov to completeness and neatness, tying all of his stories together into one superbundle is accomplished at the cost of the integrity and cleverness of those original stories from the 40s and 50s.

  • Oomaf
    2018-10-24 20:42

    In his fourth installment in the Foundation Series Asimov blunders and completely drops the ball. While the first three novels did a marvelous job of telling the story of The Seldon Plan (The True Main Character of the Foundation Series), Asimov decides to toss what was a very good plot aside in favor of connecting the Foundation Series to the Empire and Robot series. I was flabbergasted as a dues ex machine arrives to serve only one purpose (make everything fit together). Not only was the sudden twist horrible, it was a giant hole unto itself. The intervention of Gaia would never have been needed if they hadn't interfered in the foundation's existence. Supposedly Gaia calls together the Mayor, the Speaker, Trevise together because without intervention the First Foundation would have gone on conquest and subjugated the Second Foundation or the Second Foundation would have focused on Physical strength and taken a more forceful hand with the First Foundation. None of that would have happened if Gaia had stayed out of the whole event! Think about it: The Mayor wouldn't even have thought to look at Seyshell if Gaia hadn't have orchestrated events to have Trevise go there, and the Second Foundation wouldn't even have had to the inclination to deal with the new physical power of the Foundation if the Gaian's hadn't have, again, revealed themselves to the Second Foundation by interfering with a corrected Seldon Plan. If anything, the Gaian's should have destroyed the mentalic shields of the First Foundation as an apology for destroying the whole Seldon Plan by shrugging of responsibility for The Mule. Terrible. This book was a complete disappointment.

  • Tfitoby
    2018-10-18 19:41

    Expectations are funny things you know. Working in a secondhand bookshop I see so many copies of this title on my heavily discounted shelves all the time, nobody buying it even at $2; I was under the impression that it must've been a very poor addition to the series because every other Asimov gts bought instantly. How wrong I was.This is quite possibly my favourite of the Foundation novels so far, not including the early robot/Lije Baley books, it would have received 5 stars if it was for the final three parts of the story letting it down with its wishy washy 'communing with nature' nonsense. It's quite a bit longer than the original trilogy but Asimov manages to pack the story with intrigue so you barely notice the length. It's fascinating, exciting stuff, taking the series in a whole new direction with new, interesting characters that you can't help but get behind as they each undertake a personal mission that will inevitably draw them all together for an unexpected ending.The 400+ pages fly past, I missed sleep as I couldn't stop myself from starting another part, desperate to know what was going to happen next. The great news is that you don't need to have read the preceding 13 books in the Foundation universe to enjoy this one, the self-contained storyline works completely for once and can be enjoyed by newcomers to the series and old fans alike.

  • Davyne DeSye
    2018-11-16 02:45

    Just wonderful!Asimov’s original Foundation series wasn’t instantly popular when it was released in the 50s, but like the proverbial snowball rolling downhill, became one of the most popular science fiction series of all time. Fast forward thirty years, and Asimov could no longer avoid writing the fourth book in the series – not only because his publisher was becoming rather insistent, but because readers (even readers like me who were born after the original series was published) were bombarding him with cries of “More! More! More!”In the original series, we learn that Hari Seldon, mathematical predictor of the future, set up the Foundation to act as a nucleus around which a new Galactic Empire would form after the fall of the current Galactic Empire. As we read, we discover that he also set up a “secret” Second Foundation who would make sure that the First Foundation stayed on the course of the great Seldon Plan to establish the Second Galactic Empire. Needless to say, when the First Foundation becomes aware of the Second Foundation, they hate the idea of being guided and manipulated – they want to be able to direct their own course, instead of being puppets to the “shadow government” of the Second Foundation.In this, the four book in the series, Golan Trevise, Councilman of the First Foundation is sent on a mission, ostensibly to find the legendary Earth (supposed home of humanity as the planet on which we first developed), but in reality to seek out the Second Foundation so that they can be destroyed forever. Meanwhile, while the Second Foundation is keeping a close eye on Trevise (to prevent Trevise from learning their location), the Second Foundation learns of another “secret” group of people who are manipulating the Second Foundation to ensure the establishment of an even better Second Galactic Empire. This was the aspect of this book I enjoyed the most. Oh, the hue and cry that goes up from the Second Foundation! They don’t want to be controlled and manipulated! I mean, sure, it is the Second Foundation’s job to control and manipulate the First Foundation – and the Second Foundation would naturally be benevolent rulers – but they don’t want to be controlled and manipulated themselves! Ah, what rich irony…The other aspect of this book that I found interesting was the idea of a planet that is a fully conscious being itself, where every rock, plant, animal, human – every atom and molecule – is conscious, aware and taking part in the total consciousness. Every part of this planet knows its “place” and works together for the greater whole. In other words, it rains when rain is needed, trees grow and produce fruit as needed, etc. Several analogies are given of how the human body works together: the heart does its job, the stomach works as it should, hands work together to manipulate the world. Every part of the human body works together and is part of the total consciousness of the human – “The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.” Interestingly, this is also a depiction of the perfect socialist society and lead me to a lot of “hmmm” moments. I love books that keep me mentally engaged. I also loved the characters in this book. Golan Trevise, young, brash, intelligent and with a particular knack for coming to the right conclusion on very little or no evidence; Janov Pelorat, Trevise’s companion and a somewhat myopic ancient historian who I somehow just wanted to cuddle; Mayor Harla Branno, the tough as nails and intelligent woman who rules the First Foundation; Stor Gendibal, powerful member of the Second Foundation who is after Trevise and the shadow-shadow government; and of course, the enigmatic Bliss, a beautiful young woman who is part of the total consciousness of the planet Gaia.As a fan who wanted more of the Foundation series, this was perfectly satisfying.The only downside I can think of about this book is the cliffhanger ending – something that generally makes me want to throw a book across the room (God forbid!) and cuss a lot. In my particular case, it wasn’t too angering since the next book was already sitting on my nightstand… :)

  • Nicholas
    2018-10-29 01:46

    Finally! Asimov realizes the potential of his Foundation stories in this fourth volume in the series. There is an altogether different feel to it. Less a dramatic history and more of a suspense/mystery tale, Foundation's Edge focuses on Councilman of the Foundation Golan Trevize whose conspiracy theories concerning the existence of the Second Foundation get him in a lot of trouble. Set up opposite Golan is a young speaker of the Second Foundation, also aware that something is completely wrong with the Seldon Plan. Golan is exiled for his challenge to the status quo by the Mayor of the Foundation, his secret mission, to explore, from the peripheries, his belief that the Second Foundation exists and if so, what it is up to. The speaker's goal: to find who or what is manipulating the Seldon Plan outside the Second Foundation. Two mysteries intertwine and combine in a wonderfully new direction for the Foundation series that leaves so many more questions than before.I loved the brilliant new twist to this storyline comes in Golan's companion, Historian Jan Pelorat, a fringe academic who believes, astonishingly, that human beings, now spread over millions of habitable planets across the galaxy, actually originated on a single planet: Earth. Pelorat joins Golan as a cover for his investigation of the Second Foundation. Why did people leave Earth 20,000 years ago? And why are there no precise records of it's history or even location? Through their journey the explore mythology and legend, folklore and fairytales of the future. Was Earth destroyed in a radioactive cataclysm? Did a war between robots and humanity force human beings to flee the planet to establish a world without?The difference in this particular novel is Asimov's focus on just a couple of characters. He builds the mystery of Earth throughout the entire novel and does it in a very intriguing fashion. Written 30 years after the original Foundation trilogy, this novel shows Asimov's growth as an author. Gone is a lot of the repetitive explanations of bits of technology or futuristic custom and in it's place is solid character and plot development. Foundation's Edge ends on a bit of a cliffhanger, Golan is forced to make a choice for the future of humanity and it's not altogether clear what his decision entails. The Seldon Plan takes a backseat for the first time in the Foundation's history and a new force outside the Foundation makes its presence known. Guess I'll be finishing this series after all...

  • Emre Ergin
    2018-10-22 02:46

    aaa mass effect 3.Bu kitap şimdiye kadar okuduğum Vakıf serisi romanları içinde beni en sürükleyeni ve aynı zamanda eser miktarda da olsa düşündüreni oldu. Karakterler serideki diğer karakterlere göre çok daha keskin ve birbirinden ayrık çizilmiş. Bir sonraki kitaba hazırlık niteliğinde, gelecek insanlarının köken sorununa, dünyaya dair yaptığı spekülasyonlar da okuması keyifli yerlerdendi. Ama şu da olabilir, beğenimin belki kitapla alakası olmayan sebepleri vardır. Görüşümü saptıran sebepler şunlar olabilir:1) Bu kitap diğerlerinin aksine bir ereader'da okundu, içinde bir teknoloji iması taşıyan bir üslubun insanı haliyle daha bir bilimkurgu sever kılması olası.2) Bu kitap vakıf serisinin çekirdeğini oluşturan üç kitaptan neredeyse yirmi yıl sonra yazıldı. (belki de otuzdu.) bu sebeple asimov'un kaleminde bir keskinleşme olmuş olabilir.3) Bu kitap genişletilmiş serinin sondan bir önceki kitabı, dolayısıyla taşların yerine oturuyor olduğu hissi belki de bir beğeni izlenimi uyandırıyordur.4) Bu kitap serinin tüm kitapları içerisinde İngilizcesi'nden okuduğum ilki. Bunun şu gibi yollarla beğenime etkisi olabilir: 4-a) Serinin çevirileri çok kötü. Bilimkurgu çevirisidir, nolcak diye düşünülüp pek bir baştan savılmış. Ama şu var, bilimkurguda dil otobüste çelikcant. 4-b) İngilizce okumaya alışkın olmadığımdan, ve aslında her satırı hemence anlayamadığımdan, en basit cümlelerde, en klişe ifadelerde dahi bir sanat var zannı oluşmuş olabilir. Bunun yanında, sadece bir eseri -bu dil ingilizce olsa bile- orjinal dilinde okuyor olmak kibrimi okşamıştır, sonra bu kibri daha hayırlı bir yöne sevketmiş, kitabın dilinin bende yaşattığı komik gururu kitaba dair bir beğeniye dönüştürmüş olabilirim.5) Bir seriden 6 kitap okuyunca, harcadığınız zamanın boşa gitmediğini düşünmek için, seriyi en nihayetinde sevmeye başladığınıza inanmak zorundasınız.Sözün özü, kitabı cidden beğendim, keyifle okudum, ama Asimov'dur yani, bu derece beğenmemem gerekirdi. Bu kadar çözümlemeye rağmen bir mantığa da oturtamadım tam. Filmi çıkacakmış, ona gidersiniz.

  • Jen
    2018-11-16 00:32

    Admit it: after reading Second Foundation, you believed that the Second Foundation was safe forever more, didn't you? Didn't you?! Of course you did.How unfortunate for you, as people - even future people - love a conspiracy theory and will hold to it with incredible tenacity even to the point of making a second attempt at eradicating the Second Foundation the key plot point of yet another novel by Asimov. And why do the people of the (First) Foundation want to eradicate the Second Foundation? Because the Second Foundation is being too helpful in bringing about the Second Empire where all will be in splendor. If this bit of logic left anyone else scratching their heads, I just want you to know that you are not alone. I, too, am puzzled to why the successful following of the Seldon Plan and development of a Second Empire is such a drastic threat.That said ...Foundation's Edge (Foundation, #4) starts out at the halfway point between the First Galactic Empire and the predicted Second Galactic Empire. Asimov has written a very man-ish woman into the role of Mayor of Terminus which I suppose can be considered to be a win for feminism, even if she were written as an emasculator. (If you are curious, I have been tracking Asimov's unconscious attitudes toward women across all of his novels and noting his growth in that area.) This female mayor, Branno, and a few others are believers in the conspiracy of the continued existence of the Second Foundation and wish to eliminate the Second Foundation. Through a large amount of political posturing and power-flexing, a Foundation legislator and a Foundation academic are exiled on what is a prima facie search for Earth but is supposed to be a covert search for the Second Foundation.Meanwhile, the Second Foundation believes that there is yet a Third Foundation of some sort and are searching for them.It all culminates when the exiled Foundationers actually do attempt to find Earth, believing Earth to be the home of the Second Foundation, and are tailed by Branno and the future First Speaker of the Second Foundation. Will the Foundation meet the Second Foundation in conflict? Will the continued presence of the Second Foundation be revealed? Will Earth be found? Are we ever going to see any more robots? Is there a Third Foundation? What is the nature of the Second Empire? All this and more will be revealed in the novel!This book has a lag of energy and enthusiasm. The characters seem to be reluctant to act in their roles and are downright unlikeable. In the past, Asimov characters have been flat, but these are worse than flat.After you, gentle reader, read this book, I ask that you come back and comment on this entry about whether or not you felt that there was a connection between this novel and the movie Avatar. I saw one but I need confirmation that I am not the only one.

  • Bill Wellham
    2018-11-04 20:44

    Asimov returns to the great Foundation series with a great sequel. Written decades after the original trilogy, Edge seems to have a different writing style. In my opinion, an improvement on the earlier Foundation stories. The original trilogy built up to this point using many characters and twisted plots. Asimov used his ingenious ‘psychohistory’ mechanism to drive the story through hundreds of years, always pushing along a destiny for mankind.This sequel is set five hundred years forward from the foundation’s creation. It follows ‘Golan Trevize’, an intuitive and rebellious member of The Foundation, having been expelled by the tough Lady ‘Mayor Branno’; on his journey of discovery across the galaxy. He and his accompanying professor ‘Janov Pelorat’, discover many mysteries of human history, following Pelorat’s belief in an original human planet.Meanwhile ‘Speaker Gendibal’, who can be seen as Trevize’s opposite number, has been expelled from the Second Foundation, to track down Trevize and stop him discovering the Second Foundation. Remember that the mind controlling and universe steering Second Foundation is completely secret and unknown to the First Foundation guys.Various other interesting characters are introduced, and eventually all parties are heading towards a mysterious planet called Gaia. Enough said about Gaia! Albeit that I think Asimov was very influenced by the spiritual theories and science of the 1970s. Great stuff though.An nice and unexpected ending for me.A story of galactic pursuit, discovery, secrets and mind control! I particularly enjoyed the relationship between Golan Trevize and his old professor partner, as they learnt so much from each other during the journey. Wonderfully written, in my opinion, and a well balanced plot. Asimov had enough time to think about this one, and I think he pulled it off perfectly.

  • Simon
    2018-10-31 01:38

    Some say that the two books he wrote later in the Foundation story aren't as good as those that he wrote in the 50's. Don't believe it, this is every bit as good as the best of the original trilogy. The Seldon plan is only half way to completion but the Foundation is strong, surely ready to re-establish a unified galactic empire now. Why wait another 500 years? Only the Second Foundation can possibly stand in their way...or is there something else?The second time I've read this book and I very much enjoyed it as I did the first time. Now I can't wait to re-read the conclusion to the Foundation saga: Foundation and Earth.

  • Joan
    2018-10-23 22:41

    I'm reasonably sure I've read this before but so long ago that I forgot a lot of it. In any case Asimov is always a pleasure to read. Asimov is still considered one of the three great masters of Science Fiction. Sometimes I just need a break from Mt. Readmore and want to read a book reliably good. Asimov often fills the bill in that case. In this case, we find there are organizations involved besides just the First and Second Foundations. But are there other extra organization(s) involved or not? To be continued.....

  • Davide
    2018-11-01 22:32

    [1987]Quarto capitolo della trilogia della fondazione, questo libro prende in considerazione un tempo meno lungo della storia galattica asimoviana.[2010]Le tre stelle sono la media tra le quattro della prima e le due della seconda lettura.

  • Ahmad Sharabiani
    2018-10-16 22:47

    Foundation's Edge (Foundation (Publication Order) #4), Isaac Asimov عنوان: لبه بنیاد کهکشانی؛ نویسنده: آیزاک آسیموف؛ مترجم: پیمان اسماعیلیان خامنه؛ تهران، بنیاد مستضعفان و جانبازان، 1373، در 520 ص،

  • Gillian Brownlee
    2018-10-30 02:26

    My favorite of the Foundation series so far. They just keep getting better!

  • Jozef Melichár
    2018-11-05 21:53

    Štvrtý diel sa konečne dostal z osídiel Seldonovho plánu a už predvídateľných kríz a ich riešení. Celé to dostáva nový náboj a doslova vesmírne rozmery. Obrovský oblúk Asimovových kníh cez tisícročia vyráža dych. Jediná výhrada, ktorú mám, je obrovská rola individuálnych hrdinov a ich činov. Myslím, že história je omnoho menej psychologická a omnoho viac sociologická, ale taký scifi román by sa samozrejme ťažko písal a ešte horšie čítal.

  • Gabriele Valenza
    2018-11-11 19:49

    Con questo sequel Asimov dimostra tutta la sua bravura. Tirare fuori un'altra trama avvincente, per di più non contemplata durante la stesura della prima saga, e renderla comunque originale è da maestri.

  • Ken Doggett
    2018-11-10 00:40

    Foundation's Edge is a sequel to Second Foundation, and was written decades afterward. Before reading the book, as I looked at the cover, I noticed that this book earned/was awarded a Hugo for "best book." I was skeptical. Having read all of the Foundation Series books leading up to this one, I thought this might be an honorary award; Asimov was a founding father of modern Science Fiction, and perhaps due for an award.Not so. Of all of the Foundation books I've read so far this is far and away the best. It's actually very good, an unlikely page turner to the very end. Asimov is indeed the master of large, galaxy-spanning ideas and plot development. In the book previous to this one, the First and Second Foundations, founded by Hari Seldon as keepers and re-generators of civilization after the fall of the first Galactic Empire, had been at odds with each other. The First Foundation, based on technological advancement, knew the Second Foundation only as a ghostly organization whose location was not known. Mind Control was the talent of the Second Foundation, but certain elements of the First Foundation, not wanting to be guided into the Seldon Plan by mind control, sought to corner all of the Second Foundation members and do away with them. By the end of the book, they were certain that this had been accomplished.As Foundation's Edge opens, it's years later, and elements of both foundations had noticed that the Seldon Plan was going a little too perfectly, as if it were being guided by someone outside of their own organizations. Councilman Trevize of the First Foundation is certain that the controlling element is the Second Foundation, which obviously still survives. For this heresy, he is exiled by Mayor Branno; his job, with a brand new, highly advanced spaceship, is to find the Second Foundation's location, if there is one, and not come back until the deed is accomplished. Speaker Gendibal of the Second Foundation is just as certain that a third organization is doing the controlling, and he sets out in a lesser ship to keep track of Trevize, who, with an historian as a companion, seems to have diverted himself toward the goal of locating the fabled original planet Earth instead. The story becomes extremely complex, but Asimov keeps it clear for the reader with what could only be decribed as brilliant plotting, an Asimov forte.The book has its flaws. In the middle of one scene the three characters involved are suddenly back aboard ship instead of on the planet where I had last seen them. This was somewhat jarring, since no scene showed them deciding to go back to the ship, or even getting there. Maybe the printer left out a scene; maybe the author did. Another problem I have with Asimov's writing is that he advances his story primarily with dialog, a lot of it stilted and awkward. On the other hand, his characters seem better developed in this one; he obviously learned a lot in the decades after writing "Second Foundation," or was able to take more time with it, but he never gives you any real impression of the surroundings in any scene, or the interaction of the characters with it. However, in this book you do actually get inside the characters' heads to see what they think and how they feel about the events unfolding around them.All in all, this one was definitely an enjoyable read, and clearly the best of anything I've read by Asimov. I'm now sure that it earned its Hugo Award; it may not have been the best written Science Fiction book of that year, but it clearly outshone most books in terms of epic scale and story. For its flaws I deduct a half-star, rating it at 4 1/2 stars, rounding up to 5.

  • Andrés
    2018-11-04 20:29

    I read the Foundation Saga a while ago. Back then, I'd bought the first few volumes in Spanish. In fact, I think the first volume I bought was actually, "Prelude to Foundation," of which I'll have to write a review soon because it probably is my favourite in the entire saga. However, while Prelude may be my favourite, "Foundation's Edge" isn't far behind.This time around I read it in English during an 8-hour bus ride to and from. It must've taken me around 10 hours to finish due to Asimov's rather unique writing style. As you may be aware by now, his novels don't have a whole lot of action (sometimes none) and instead rely heavily on dialogue between characters, along with the required introspection if it serves a purpose. I'm fine with this style, it's undoubtedly the reason I devour his books.FE stands apart from the original trilogy in that it was Asimov's first novel, and by that I mean it was a single story throughout, not a collection of short ones. It also introduced us to Golan Trevize, the main character who would remain so in the sequel, "Foundation and Earth." His is a character who has the uncanny ability to follow a reasoning through to a correct conclusion even when working with limited data. It is for that very reason that he will play a pivotal role in the inevitable showdown between the forces of the First and Second Foundations.Another reason I heavily favour the latter Foundation books over the former is because they also tie together Asimov's Robot novels rather nicely, and that's all I'm going to say about that, at least in this review. Saying anything more would spoil it.If you like intrigue, there's plenty. Trevize is a Terminus Councilman who's exiled by the Mayor of Terminus for his blasphemous views on the perfection of the Seldon Plan and his conclusion that it means the Second Foundation is still around. He's right, of course, and the Mayor knows it. At the same time, a Second Foundation Speaker by the name of Stor Gendibal partially agrees. The Second Foundation is still around, naturally, but even he's puzzled about the distinct lack of deviations from the Seldon Plan and poses that a third party is fine-tuning the Plan unbeknownst to them. So begins an intricate weave of plots and counterpplots that will put Trevize front and center in deciding the fate of a galaxy.Oh, and if you've played ME3, you'll probably find something in common with its ending only Asimov does it much better.What are you waiting for? Read it.Now.

  • Petros
    2018-10-16 03:49

    After the collapse of the galactic empire, the second Foundation is preparing the way for a second empire to emerge in some centuries and restore the civilization to the galaxy. But something is amiss, as there seems to be another powerful group of telepaths out there that stand in their way. This book was written decades after the initial trilogy, so it has a far more mature way of writing. The characters feel a bit livelier and there are far more descriptions around technologies and the galaxy. Meaning, the setting is far more fleshed out, detailed and interesting than before. Heck, even women seem to be treated a little bit better by the men. Other than that, there hardly is a conflict in it. The sinister secret organization is challenging the whole prophetic masterplan of the Foundation but otherwise ends up doing nothing important to stomp it. Half the book is spent on the lame romantic adventure of a speaker and some barbarian woman that had no purpose in the plot. Because she is a woman; get it? The other half is not even a story. It’s rather a brainstorm of ideas to make a sci-fi film. We have a dumb woman traveling in space with a smart man and along the way she is constantly asking for stuff. And the man kindly replies. [SPOILER] This is how hyperspace works. This is how the galaxy changes. This is how we can find Earth. Oh, the concept of robots. Oh, alternative realties through quantum physics. Oh, a hive mind. Oh, the planet is alive. Oh, too much control is bad. [/SPOILER] Seriously, this is all that happens in this book and you have probably seen every single one of those ideas a thousand times by now in some Star Trek episode with more plot and interesting characters. As original as it may have been back then, it is basically sci-fi ideas 101 with no plot or excitement. BOOORING! And damn it was fun to read how people in this galaxy have no idea of what robots are. They all behave as robots to begin with!

  • Movedoya
    2018-11-04 21:32

    Foundations Edge is a story of struggles: youth vs age, physical vs mental, and finally machine vs human. In between are many life lessons, the most memorable being “silence can say a lot”. Published at the time of the weakening, but stubbornly resistant communism of the mid 1980s,the underlying theme is the dangers, and ultimate futility, of relying on a human-constructed plan. The book’s forward provides a decent background for those who missed the preceding episodes on the saga. The crux is the seemingly never-ending strife between the muscle-bound 1st Foundation, based at the edge of the Milky Way and the mind reading and mind warping 2nd Foundation, based who knows where in the galaxy. Though never explicitly stated, it appears to take place about 50,000 years in the future, give or take 10K. What really makes it compelling to today’s reader though is the characters’ frantic search for: a mythical Earth, or Gaia (the latter being a highly hip term on campuses at publishing time). What Earth represents, and how that fits into the physical v mental struggle must be read to believed. When the final act occurs the reader feels like the fate of the galaxy long after us is up for grabs, and that it Matters! Then we realize that humans (and our inventions!) cannot escape our collective vanity and drive to grapple for the ever hot but fading steam of power, no matter how “advanced” we become.

  • Thom
    2018-11-05 20:35

    Isaac Asimov returns to the Foundation series some 30 years later, bringing with him some good twine to reel in his other series (Robots and Empire). He also brings with him the authorial respect and catalog he lacked early on, and that led Foundation's Edge to the NY Times Bestseller list. But was it good?The first three books were told in pairs of stories, and this has only one, though with two distinct points of view (one for each Foundation). Schemes of both are brought together near Gaia, a great decision point, and a somewhat abrupt ending, likely leading to the next book.Mostly dismissed were the original Seldon plan (Hari Seldon couldn't foresee the technology, so his plan is no longer important) and free will (with the exception of one character, who thankfully is the protagonist of the next book). The original trilogy was modeled after Gibbon's Decline and Fall, and that connection is also lacking. I found the schemes inferior to the earlier trilogy, and some of the connections to Robots tenuous.I can completely understand Asimov's fans and publishers clamoring to hear more of the 1000 year interregnum period - the original trilogy covered less than 400 of those years. Unfortunately this book alone is not sufficient, and I worry that the following (and final) book won't add much more.

  • دانیال بهزادی
    2018-10-27 03:41

    ‫از ادبیات علمی تا اسطوره.‫به نظر آسیموف در این کتاب تصمیم گرفته از خر علمی-تخیّلی بیاد پایین و سوار اسطوره بشه. در این کتاب دربارهٔ اسطورهٔ گایا می‌خونیم، البته نه دقیقاً به همون شکلی که از مادر زمین تا به حال خوندیم؛ بلکه گایایی شکل گرفته به دست روبات‌ها، بر روی سیّاره‌ای در کهکشان.‫بعد از خوندن این کتاب دریافتم که علاوه بر کتاب‌های الهه انتقام (نمسیس) و سفر شگفت‌انگیز که پیش‌زمینه‌هایی برای درک بنیاد دوم هستند، باید کتاب پایان ابدیت هم برای درک بهتر گایا بخونم و این کتاب رو هم به مجموعهٔ دنیای بنیاد بیفزایم. البته از اون‌جا که این کتاب‌ها در کیهان بنیاد روی نمی‌دن، شاید استفاده از این اسم برای نامیدنشون چندان درست نباشه. فکر کنم خوبه به سبک داستان‌های کوتاه و پراکندهٔ روباتی خود آسیموف که اون‌ها رو در مجموعه‌ای با نام گنجینهٔ روباتی آورده، این مجوعه رو «گنجینهٔ بنیاد» بنامم.